KEVINKORELL
Member #69826, posted 09-16-01 10:40 PM
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Alan,
Thanks for all of the updates. I understand it all, but I pity the New Yorkers and visitors who are already having trouble understanding the system, especially since the recent Manhattan Bridge changes. And now a new temporary map has been drawn for a while. More is coming in November with the 63rd Street Tunnel changes.
Can you tell if the Q replacing the R is using the 60th Street tunnel or the new 63rd Street tunnel?
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Kevin Korell
Alan Burden
Member #69828, posted 09-16-01 11:26 PM
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Kevin,
Yes I'm sure it's going to be a very interesting morning for commuters. Especially since I have not yet heard any of these changes on TV yet. When the Manhattan Bridge changes went into effect it was a circus, as was noted here on the BB. That time there was also lots of warning, media coverage, and the change went into effect on Sunday not Monday.
Worse I was out riding the trains today and I saw an MTA poster that directly conflicted with what I posted regarding the 7th Avenue line, although it did concur with the rest of my report. However, based upon what I observed and a few other web sites, I went with what I posted. In an effort to see how accurate some of the info flying around has been, not to mention the info I’ve been providing, I took a ride on several lines today. I am working on a report of my observations, but have not yet posted it.
In answer to your question the Q will be using the 60th Street tunnel, which is the normal route for the R train. This is also one of the reasons it’s running local, as the Q express would be blocking access to the 63rd Street tunnel at 57th Street where that train is turning. About 8-10 years ago they removed the switches and about 20 feet of track that would have permitted access to the 63rd Street tunnel from the local tracks upon exiting or entering the north end of the station.
Alan Burden
Member #69833, posted 09-17-01 06:55 PM
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Here’s the latest as of Monday night.
Those who chose to bring their cars into Manhattan encountered massive delays, for example the Lincoln Tunnel still had a 2-hour backup at 9:30am. Normal for that hour would be at most a half an hour. However those savvy travelers who choose transit, from all accounts, did quite well.
Amtrak and all commuter railroads encountered no major delays that I’ve heard of.
Even the dramatic and widespread changes to the subway seemed to work well. Again I have not heard of any major problems, nor mass confusion like was caused with the Manhattan Bridge reroutes. It is also possible that this type of news was just over shadowed by the events of recent.
I can tell you that as I took the number 7 to one of my clients this morning, there were almost constant announcements on the PA system listing the many changes. At almost every station I could here the announcements when the doors opened to board passengers. With a few exceptions most of the media were reporting the correct changes this morning.
For those who might like to better understand the current routes and re-routes within the subway system, the MTA has released a revised subway map. Please note that you must have the Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your computer in order to view this map. If you do not have Acrobat Reader you can click here to obtain the program.
Clicking here will take you to the subway map.
They have also released a very nice and detailed map showing the lower Manhattan routes and stations. This map also gives you a very clear picture of where the lines run in relation to the location of the World Trade Center. Once again you will need Adobe Acrobat Reader in order to view this map. Please click here to view the lower Manhattan map.
There are no new updates regarding the reopening of closed stations or lines.
Path continues to run it’s rerouted service and again seems to be doing well. I have heard that rescuers did manage to reach the WTC station. Sadly there are no survivors in the station. No word on how many, if any victims were found. The report specifically mentioned, “There were no survivors found within the various air pockets within the station”. This would leave me to believe, that as suspected, damage to this station is extraordinarily heavy.
NJT buses while running are experiencing delays into NYC, because of the heavy backups at the Lincoln Tunnel that I mentioned above.
The Staten Island ferry resumed passenger service this morning, but no cars are being allowed.
Special note, about the above post. The map of the subway in lower Manhattan is still available to this day on the MTA's website. Therefore anyone who might be interested in looking at some of the details more closely can click on the link directly above, which I have enabled, to view this map. Remember you must still have Adobe Acrobat installed on your computer to view the map.
KEVINKORELL
Member #69840, posted 09-17-01 10:30 PM
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There are also some extra and rerouted ferries being run. For example, the NY Waterway ferry route that normally goes from Hoboken Terminal to World Financial Center is instead running to Pier 11 which is on the East Side on the other end of Wall Street.
I believe some Staten Island Ferry boats are being used to run from the Whitehall Terminal to somewhere in Brooklyn. There are special shuttle buses meeting the ferries on the New York side, since there is no 1/9 or N/R service available.
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Kevin Korell