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#1 NickG

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 09:16 AM

From the New York Times:

IT took the board of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority about 65 seconds yesterday, give or take, to approve the latest step toward construction of the Second Avenue subway, a project around so long (bonds were first floated to pay for it in 1951) that it has become an urban legend.

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 09:19 AM

From Newsday, 4/29/04:

Waiting for a train that never comes

On a sunny October day in 1972, dark-suited dignitaries shuttled up to East 102nd Street in Manhattan to break ground for the mythical Second Avenue subway.

There was Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, Metropolitan Transportation Authority chairman William Ronan, Mayor John Lindsay and a young congressman named Ed Koch.

"Whatever is said about this project in the years to come, certainly no one can say that the city acted rashly or without due deliberation," Rockefeller said smugly. The new line was first proposed in 1920.

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 09:21 AM

From the New York Daily News, 4/27/04:

Stragglers of 2nd Ave.

When it comes to the Second Ave. subway, the south shall be last.

Officials with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority confirmed yesterday that Manhattan's new 8.5-mile line will be built in four segments, with lower Manhattan going last.

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Posted 29 April 2004 - 11:34 AM

As usual, my feeling is to believe it when I see it. That first segment, if it indeed opens in 2011, will essentially be a line to nowhere until they extend it to 125th Street in Phase 2.

Connections to the 63rd Street Line, currently served by the F, have already been built. There is also a connection between that line and the Broadway Line, which is used occasionally by R trains when there is construction on the 60th Street tunnel line.


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Posted 29 April 2004 - 04:27 PM

Connections to the 63rd Street Line, currently served by the F, have already been built. There is also a connection between that line and the Broadway Line, which is used occasionally by R trains when there is construction on the 60th Street tunnel line.

Just to clarify things a bit, the connections that one sees while riding the F train under the East River are merely very short dead-end tunnels that would allow the Second Avenue line to send trains into Queens. So far none of the articles even touches upon this possibility.

What the first segment of the proposed Second Avenue line will connect to is largely hidden from the public's view. The only glimpse that you can have of this is at an interlocking just west of the 63rd Street/Lexington Avenue station. At this interlocking trains can be sent to either the Sixth Avenue line or the Broadway line. East of that interlocking the tracks from the Broadway line do extend for a short distance before ending.

Additionally it is my understanding that the walls within the 63rd/Lex station are really false walls. They are supposed to be hiding half of a four track two level station. Currently the F line uses upper & lower tracks on the south side of this station. The upper & lower tracks on the north side would service the new line. So if and when the first phase of the Second Ave line is built, passengers will have a cross platform transfer to the F trains in both directions.
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 05:19 PM

Looking at the schematics, if and when the southern portion is built, there will also be a cross-platform transfer between the Second Avenue line and the B & D at Grand Street in Chinatown.

On MTA's map, they show that the Q would be extended beyond 57th Street through the connection to the 63rd Street line, and then over the connection onto the first (northern) section of the Second Avenue subway. The line that runs the length of Second Avenue would be designated the T line, its route color light blue. I thought there might be another route that would come up from lower Manhattan and turn east through the 63rd Street tunnel into Queens, but I don't see that on the map of the future. I am sure they will claim that Queens Blvd. doesn't have the capacity for another line, but I guess they could reduce some E or F service and run the Second Avenue line express out to 179th/Hillside or Jamaica Center.


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Posted 21 June 2005 - 02:28 PM

From the New York Times, 6/18/05:

The Train! The Train!



THIS week, in the wake of the failed West Side stadium project, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg agreed to help the Mets and the Yankees build new ballparks that could be used if New York City wins its bid for the 2012 Olympics. Those projects may have their good points, but Mr. Bloomberg has neglected a project that would have a far greater impact: the Second Avenue subway line. The best way to revive Lower Manhattan - and give a boost to Midtown - is to build a subway line that carries people from Harlem and the East Side to work downtown. This would be a wonderfully appropriate way to spend 9/11 funds.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 08:02 PM

From the New York Daily News:

The Second Ave. subway - a goal dating to the Roaring Twenties - will finally begin rolling for riders in 2012, MTA Chairman Peter Kalikow vowed yesterday after voters approved state borrowing to help pay for the project.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 09:53 PM

Is 7 years a realistic estimate for them to tie together whatever portions were built already (and maybe do necessary repairs if some of this dates to the 1920's!!) ?? I look forward to seeing the light blue lines on my transit map with the T train --- although initially it will be just a yellow line since this will ultimately be just an extension of the existing Q train beyond 7th Avenue/57th Street.


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Posted 13 November 2005 - 02:32 PM

7 years is probably doable, assuming that they don't drag their feet and that there are no last minute court challanges. Almost all of the preliminary studies and engineering work is already done. All that really needs to happen is to get the construction started. The bigger concern is, where is the MTA going to find the money to actually run the line and where are they finding the cars needed to run it? The bond measure only pays for the construction and even then they will still be short some money that the state and/or city must come up with. The bond measure does not help in the other areas at all.
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