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Sloan

http://articles.ktuu.com/2012-07-18/railroad-track_32734742


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The director of the Bear Valley Community Association tells us no one was hurt and that the kids were never in danger.


You need some ed-u-ma-cation from Operation Lifesaver, pal. tongue.gif

Sloan
amtrakwolverine
That director needs to be fired. the train stopped with 500 feet to spare how were they not in danger. if the train had been going faster How many would have been killed.
steve4031
And arrested for trespassing.
BillMagee
QUOTE(steve4031 @ Jul 21 2012, 03:11 PM) *

And arrested for trespassing.

That may not be possible.

In order for a criminal charge of trespassing to be made, the property involved must be clearly identified by signs or fencing as private property. If there are no signs, fencing or other means that identifies that property as private (as is often the case with railroad property), simply entering the property is not, by legal definition, "trespassing", and charges cannot be filed. Saying that the person who entered the property should have known it was private property is not enough. The property must be marked.

For example, if you cross a neighbor's unfenced front yard, you are on that person's property and reasonably know that to be the case, but unless that person by words or a sign tells you to stay off, you are not committing criminal trespassing. If, on the other hand, you climb a fence into that person's back yard, then you are trespassing.

If a railroad is not signed, fenced or otherwise identified as private property, then the act of entering railroad property, and even crossing the tracks, is not criminal trespass. Put up signs spaced such that someone entering the property would see a sign, then it is criminal trespass.

When a person struck by a train is called a "trespasser", that may be a commonly correct description, but it may not necessarily be a legally correct description.
CNJRoss
QUOTE(BillMagee @ Jul 23 2012, 01:06 PM) *

QUOTE(steve4031 @ Jul 21 2012, 03:11 PM) *

And arrested for trespassing.

That may not be possible.

In order for a criminal charge of trespassing to be made, the property involved must be clearly identified by signs or fencing as private property. If there are no signs, fencing or other means that identifies that property private (as is often the case with railroad property), simply entering the property is not, by legal definition, "trespassing", and charges cannot be filed. Saying that the person who entered the property should have known it was private property is not enough. The property must be marked.


The requirements defining trespass vary by jurisdiction.

Virginia changed railroad trespassing from criminal trespass (a felony) to "simple" trespass (a misdemeanor) about 18 years ago. The statue does not require any special signage, fencing or other identification. Any person on railroad property who does not belong there is trespassing.

Since the change, state, local and railroad police are more apt to issue the citation since they don't necessarily have to arrest you and haul you in for booking. Police officers generally use discretion, but often cite individuals who are obviously trespassing.

Ross
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